Pile coat of arms granted to Gabriell Pile of Bupton

Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:39:02


Jeff, I found a listing of the Pile coat of arms granted to Gabriell
Pile of Bupton in Wiltshire. The description includes the arms for
Horne and Fraine. I am trying to assemble some kind of drawing
that I will forward to you when I finish.
Steve

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Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:56:54


Neat - Please include the sources for references. As you see in the margin of this email is the Pile coat of arms I found this one generated by the MODERN site for "Coats of Arms" but couldn't find where or how they achieved this.?????

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I had a brief look in the very large edition on "Coats of Arms" but didn't buy it as it was v. expensive. Didn't see any registered in that edition.
I believe this is only a commercial version for themselves from a reference ??? somewhere.


Actual accredited "Coats of Ams" have a history and much more information behind them and are registered.

Jeff


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If you view this link Theory on Piles in Barbados

You will see some more information on arms plus these two images

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Kiwi Jeff
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:31:39

Jeff,
The source is the Visitation of Wiltshire of 1623, page 151.
Arms:---- Quarterly: 1 & 4, Argent (white or silver), a cross between
four nails gules (red) {PILE}; 2, Or (gold or yellow), three bugle horns
in pale (perpendicular stripe) gules (red), stringed sable (black) {HORNE};
3, Gules (red), two bars (horizontal) party per fess indented (saw toothed\
edges) argent (white or silver) and azure (blue) }FRAINE}
Quarterly 1 2
3 4
Crest:---- On a mural crown gules (red crown), a pelican or (gold), vulning
(wounding) herself of the first.
Steve

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Kiwi Jeff
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 15:54:43

Jeff, I found it. I noticed in the Pile Family of Barbadoes,
the correct coat of arms for the Pile family is used.
I am attaching two coats of arms; one for Fraine and
one for Horne. These are found on the Pile arms of Gabriell
Pile of Bupton.
Steve

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FRAINE COAT OF ARMS

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HORNE O1 COAT OF ARMS

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Kiwi Jeff
Pile Coat of arms from descriptions

Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 16:32:45

Jeff, here is the Pile arms I put together from the description.
Steve

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Steve,

NOTE there are a number of similarities used on this PILE coat of Arms from this description to the one of PYLE coat of arms as shown on Godwin Arnolds chart - (SHOWN ABOVE) as reported used on Thomas Pyles monument at Kings Lynn (Inf from Vicar of All Saints Ch.)

Could there be a connection or similar grant to this side of the family in the same time frame?

Jeff

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Kiwi Jeff
Pile - Pyle Coat of Arms - information

Your source registered the Pile coat of Arms as 1623.

The Pyle coat of arms used on Thomas Pyle b. Jan 26 1674 - Vicar of St Margarets Kings Lynn & c & c Prebendary of Salisbury - which I presume is the monument it is used on - isn't much later. And may have been granted around his death.

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Jeff

In addition to the "Head stone" of Conrade Pile of Barbados the inscription reads:

"In memory of
CONRADE PILE
of Brighton, in this Parish
who departed this life February 3rd 1864
aged 81 years and 9 months
A faithful and affectionate husband
A kind and generous father
A liberal benefactor; An upright man
An humble Christian
To him this Chapel (St. Luke)
owes its existence
"The Memory of the Just is Blessed" Prov.X. 7
This tablet is erected by his widow
for sixty years his wife"

Also the "Family Moto" is

Motto: - Gaudet Tentamine Virtus

Gaudet - to rejoice, take delight
Tentamine - judgement, temptation, duration, attack, trial
Virtus - manliness, excellence, character, worth, courage

I believe this family crest/Coat of Arms shown in the headstone is the same as that of Francis Pile Baronet of Compton created September 12, 1628 for service to King Charles I
Thank you Guest (Mike?)

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Thanks again for the information - Jeff

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The Knights of Edward I

Looks good ! Here is an attachment I got today from our local
library. It is from "The Knights of Edward I". Note the arms of
the two Freyne entries.
Steve

I have edited the picture you sent me to show only the page title and the two entries associated with us. I have included a text so that anyone may copy the exact text to their records PLUS the image (text) of the actual page

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Extract from "Knights of Edward I" Page 85

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FREYNE, Sr Hugh de,Kt. De argent e de azure, les bendes endentes. Here.
(Parl.). Gu. 2 bars, each per fesse indented arg. and az. (St. George). (Descriptions of Coat of arms)
Serviens for Jn. de la Mare, but transferred to Edm., E. of Lancaster,
1 Jy.1277 (P.W.). Going over seas 30 Ap. 1286 (P.R.). Gift of 2 bucks from
Dean Forest 15 Jy. 1290, and 4 oaks for timber from the Hay
of Hereford 12 Nov. 1292. He mainperns the parson of Campeden,
Nov. 1291 (C.R.), and has Lic. to stengthen his house at Mockes, Here.,
with a wall of stone and lime, and to crenellate it, 15 June 1293 (P.R.).


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FREYNE, Sr Waltr de, Kt. De goules a ii bendes endentes de or e de azure
le un en le autre. Here. (Parl. Cost.). (Coat of arms description)
He has married Alice, d. coh.
of Nicholas le Seculer, and may pay 60/- p.a. the $80 17s. owing by
said Nicholas for farm of Maurdyn Mill and the fines for Christiana and
Denise, sisters of Alice, to marry at will, 12 Dec. 1283 (F.R.) Com* re
death of his bro. Jn. del Frene in Dors. 10 May 1284 (P.R.). Livery
to him and w. Alice, sis.coh. of Nicholas fil. Nic. le Seculer of a moiety
of lands held by Joan la Seculere in dower 25 May 1293 (F.R.). He
and Alice, now 36, have brought the lands of her sisters Christiana and
Denise 15 Sep. 1293 (Inq.) Potection, going to Scotland for K. with
John, E. of Surrey, 18 Oct. 1295 (P.R.). P.Edw. send him, his yeoman,
to take venison for him in Northampton Park 8 Sep. 1297 (C.R.). Grant
to him custody of lands late of Nicholas Burdun in minority of heir
12 Ap. 1305, and on $50 fine marriage of Nicholas, s.h. of said Nicholas,
or of next heir, 5 June 1306 (P.R.). Kt. of Shire, Here., 20 Jan 1307,
and 1309, 1311 (P.W.). Sumd as Kt of Here. to Gt. Council at Westminister
9 May 1324 (P.W.).

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Kiwi Jeff
Commercial Family Coats of Arms - found

Heres a few coats of arms of the family members discussed above I have located from the Irish - Coat of Arms site.

NOTE: These Coat of Arms are commercially produced copies and may vary to the original coat of arms registered to that individual in the histoical times.

Click here to view their Home page of Thumbnails Gallery of Irish Coats of Arms

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This Gallery of Irish Coats of Arms gives links to the shields, crests, and mottoes (where applicable) for the majority of
Irish heraldic achievements being used in the Ireland of today, or by the vast diaspora of Irish people worldwide.


FRAYNE Coat of Arms

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FREYNE Coat of Arms

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HORNE Coat of Arms

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HOARE Coat of Arms
I also have this family prominent in my wifes family tree

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To get your own copy of these Coat of Arms to use in the enlarged view for letter heads etc - Go to the link above and use their payment and order forms. They will email you your copy.

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Kiwi Jeff
Jeff

this is an email I receivied from Mary Gleadall from Barbados. This information goes with the Marble Headstone of Conrad Pile of Barbados

Fairbairns Book of Crests, London 1905
PILE:
On a ducal coronet ( sometimes termed a "Cinier" or crest coronet, frequently used instead of a wreath, or as a collar; it has three leaves, unless blazoned as having a greater number) or , a pelican with wings addorsed (placed back to back) vulning (wounding, particularly applied to the pelican which is depicted wounding her breast) herself proper (borne in the proper or natural colours).

"Gaudet Tentamine Virtus" = "Virtue exults in the trial" (Motto of the Legg, Legge Family)

Is that any help?

Mary in Barbados


Mike Pile
Every little bit helps in forming our family Tree

Thanks Mike for the information - sorry slow in answering as have been in hospital for opening up my prostate - worked. Steve has sent other Pyle information which I have to upload to. We hope that this information is also helping you. Kiwi Jeff

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Kiwi Jeff
The arms (in color) for the Horne family
of Clyffe Pypard, Wiltshire.


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5.02.04

Jeff, I am attaching the arms (in color) for the Horne family
of Clyffe Pypard, Wiltshire.

Steve

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Kiwi Jeff
Knights of Edward I - William de Hornes

Jeff, I went back and looked again at the Knights of Edward I
and found William de Hornes mentioned. The first reference
was "Dering" (Dering's Roll circa 1280) mentions knights of
Kent and Sussex. I am attaching the page.
Steve

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P.240 - KNIGHTS OF EDWARD 1

"HORNES, William de. Arg (als. or) 3 hunting horns in pale qu. furnished sa. (Dering). Wm. Horn sealed, 14th cent.: On a chevron bet. 3 bugle horns stringed 3 mullets (Birch).


This Coat of Arms description appears much more involved than previously described ARMS - Jeff

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Kiwi Jeff
Have you found any reference to MOTTOs

In a message dated 2/23/04 8:01:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mail from me to Steve writes:
<< Have you found any reference to MOTTOs for those early "arms" ? Usually
descriptions also carried the issued mottos with them >>
Not yet, I did pick up descriptions of arms for the following:
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SOTEWELL of Chute - Visitation of Wiltshire 1623, page 185
Gu (red), a chevron between in chief two mulletts, and in base a lion
rampant or (gold); a crescent for a difference
(Anne Sotewell married John Benger Jr.)

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DUCKETT - Visitation of Wiltshire 1623, page 51
Sable (black), a saltire argent (silver), a mullet for a difference

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LEVERICH -
Ar (silver), with a chevron sable (black) between three plow shares

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Not sure if the Leverich is one of ours just yet. I am going to check
the Visitations of Suffolk, Kent and London for Horne to see if any
match our arms.
Keep Digging,
Steve

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Kiwi Jeff